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December 18, 2013, 06:31:55 PMReply #30

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Re: String Theory and the Holographic Universe
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2013, 06:31:55 PM »
I did answer it.

You said “CONCEPTS” of time and space are an illusion. You are correct. these “concepts” are an illusion, not the reality of existence itself. These “concepts” do not represent true or complete understanding. Lack of complete knowledge equals a delusionary understanding of existence, as the blanks are filled in with fantasy.

This delusion is in our understanding, not within the universe itself. You are projecting your own delusion out onto the universe. You must think quite highly of yourself…

December 18, 2013, 06:33:01 PMReply #31

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Re: String Theory and the Holographic Universe
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2013, 06:33:01 PM »
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I'd say the fallacy in your logic is to think that existence only depends on space and time being "real". What about consciousness? as long as something is conscious, wouldn't it be true that it exists?

December 18, 2013, 06:35:03 PMReply #32

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2013, 06:35:03 PM »
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'Consciousness' 'exists'? where does this 'consciousness' exists? and the size? and when?  :)

how can it 'exists' if it can not be measured in terms of time & space? aside by saying that it is just an illusion, a mirage, a dream?

@leonard: i think you should do a lot of homework here with modern physics & perhaps quantum physics.  8)
i'm done with you.

is it then 'real'? or unreal?

December 18, 2013, 06:35:34 PMReply #33

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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2013, 06:35:34 PM »
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That's the point actually, that there are things which exist beyond space of time. Space of time as the only valid measurement of existence would be erroneous then wouldn't it? Maybe that premise of yours could be wrong, although I am not trying to be empirical here.

December 18, 2013, 06:36:05 PMReply #34

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2013, 06:36:05 PM »
If your only understanding of existence can be defined in terms of time and space, mass and measure, and you cannot even understand what “consciousness” is, you might want to wait to pronounce that all is an illusion.

But yes, I would definitely agree with you that your “CONCEPTS” are very much an illusion…  ;)

December 18, 2013, 06:36:58 PMReply #35

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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2013, 06:36:58 PM »
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Perhaps consciousness is a type of energy not yet discovered by science, you must remember science is in an ever constant state of improvement and it's not at any point wholly complete.

December 18, 2013, 06:38:05 PMReply #36

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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2013, 06:38:05 PM »
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And yours could not be wrong?  :D
again your reference is theoloogical bias, you are speaking of sth that can not be measured... so what are talking abbout here?

December 18, 2013, 06:38:45 PMReply #37

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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2013, 06:38:45 PM »
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Of course it could be wrong, I am not trying to make absolute statements here. I don't claim that kind of transcendental wisdom myself  ;)

December 18, 2013, 06:40:28 PMReply #38

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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2013, 06:40:28 PM »
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Everything exists yet it does NOT truly exists. It only exists as a mirage or an illusion. this is just scientific Truth.

it can not truly exists since time & space itself is just an illusion so everything exists only in terms of concepts / abstraction.

again its nature its Constant Change so no single phenomenon can be truly defined rather than as a temporary concepts/abstractions.

December 18, 2013, 06:41:01 PMReply #39

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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2013, 06:41:01 PM »
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Regarding consciousness I shall myself await for further scientific development in that regard to make my conclusions. I am not so convinced consciousness is so "unreal".

December 18, 2013, 06:41:16 PMReply #40

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Re: String Theory and the Holographic Universe
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2013, 06:41:16 PM »
Can Love, Truth, Thought, consciousness be measured by the physical sciences? They are real, because if not, you cannot even justify your own thought or argument.

This is the hole in your understanding of Reality, and is the subject of a Higher Science than Physics.

December 18, 2013, 06:42:11 PMReply #41

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Re: String Theory and the Holographic Universe
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2013, 06:42:11 PM »
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Consciousness is real yet it is also 'unreal' in terms that it can not truly be measured / quantized in definite terms.

December 18, 2013, 06:42:37 PMReply #42

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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2013, 06:42:37 PM »
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Well at least YET. There were many things we couldn't measure 100 years ago that we can measure now  ;)

December 18, 2013, 06:44:52 PMReply #43

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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2013, 06:44:52 PM »
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It is also everchanging so it has no such a thing as an identity / permanent characteristics except for change itself. it is even beyond time & space. so how can you say that it truly 'exists'?  ;)

we think we can actually... you've read about Quantum Physics haven't you? at first they thought that energy can be quantized into quantas yet each quantum itself turns out to be divisible just like particles

December 18, 2013, 06:45:30 PMReply #44

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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2013, 06:45:30 PM »
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Len had a point just now, which is that if these intangible things are not real but illusory then even our own thoughts are not real, and if they are unreal then what kind of actual weight do they have? Maybe if your presuppositions are correct, we're taking ourselves too seriously  ;)