Started by Len, November 13, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: Diane_We've lost memorizing poems, stories and history. We've lost the stories told from one generation to another. I've recently been researching my families ancestry. My husbands grandmother could sit for hours reciting the family history she knew since a child. I think it's important to tell the children what you know, what you remember. As boring as it may seem to them, they will remember bits and pieces and it will be important to them later in life as they go through their own life experiences." BRT:6:33 The art of the scribe came to Britain with the highbrowed one who taught Gwilidun of Ivern, who had seven sub-scribes. He said to the king, "This strange art will make the Britons wiser and will improve their memories, for it is the very essence of memory, which has been brought to this island." The king said, "Most wonderful, but while you may be prepared to bestow this, have you the ability to judge the worth of this art? Should not this be with another?The potter lacks the ability to judge the worth of his own pots, or the knight his own horse. Therefore, the ability to judge the usefulness or harm of this new thing should surely lie with another. Now, you who are the master of letters have been so swayed by your affection for them that you endow them with powers quite the opposite of what they actually possess.For this new thing will not increase the range of memory, but will lead to forgetfulness in the mind of those who learn this strange art. It encourages men to cease to practise their memory. Are the legs of a horseman equal to those of a man who walks? With time, men will put their trust in writing, and these strange signs will discourage memory.They are not instruments of memory but of reminding. Those who learn to read many things without proper instruction will then give an appearance of knowing many things, of which they are in fact ignorant. They will be hard to get along with, since they will not be wise but only appear so."it has led to forgetfulness. we've forgotten the lessons learned in the past. what happens when you don't know or forget the lessons of the past? You repeat them.
Quote from: Len on November 13, 2013, 09:39:20 PMSome of the best, and most interesting, things are still passed on orally. Unfortunately, in this era, most do not care to listen. And the few that do listen, mainly do not believe; having lost connection to their own innate ancestral memories among other connections, preferring instead to believe and rely what is writ, instead of what is remembered and known...
Quote from: timhallen3730 on February 13, 2014, 12:35:25 AMI pray and search for a glimpse of the truth.
Quote from: timhallen3730 on February 13, 2014, 12:35:25 AMThe history record and knowledge have been in the hand of the destroyers for a long time.
Quote from: Enkisfreind on February 14, 2014, 02:26:45 AMHi Len, you say above that people are "preferring" to believe and rely on what is writ, "instead" of what is remembered and known. I wonder if that is so clear cut...
QuoteIn the final equation, Sha'ul, people either "prefer" to wallow where they are or pull themselves out of the muck, as difficult as that can be.
Quotebut I ask you, who is the one that is greater, stronger, and more wise; he who is led by the hand with every advantage, or he who had nothing but acquired everything from the sweat of his brow and blood on his feet?
QuoteI tell you truly, it is the second man that God will favor beyond the stars...
Quote from: Enkisfreind on March 17, 2014, 03:56:42 AMHowever, I don't feel it is our place to make a judgement about the praiseworthiness of any soul, on regards to spiritual growth. As only Supreme Spirit really knows what makes any of us tick.
Quote from: The Book of Gwineva, Part V, Chapter 1A person is good, bad or indifferent because of his personality make-up and should be judged solely on that basis.
Quote from: Teachings of Celestina, Chapter FiveYou shy away from judging others, claiming your non-judgementalism to be right, and you are ready to believe that all judgements are wrong. The issues are confused and you are like a ship lost at sea without a compass. Your young people, not being taught the difference between right and wrong, are not immoral anymore, they are amoral.
Quote from: Wisdom from Rowena, Chapter SevenThere are those who sit on the fence, who are lukewarm about everything; who are patrons of averageness and judgemental about nothing. They condone, by an attitude of non-condemnation, things they know to be wrong and are anti-nothing and activist against nothing. They constitute the great apathetic mass of the people who sit in pitiable mediocrity at the point of balance on the scales. They are the acceptors of the unacceptable and are generally convinced that their middle path of non-involvement, non-commitment and non-condemnation is the best one. It may be for them, because it panders to their mediocre minds, but for your society it spells disaster.To rise above this state requires the cultivation of convictions, the establishment of personal standards and codes which are made clear to the world. It means calling a spade a spade, and affirming that according to your standards this is right and that is wrong. Stick hard and fast to your principles and convictions and do not be reluctant to make them known and to defend them. Only thus can you become a positive person. It is the shilly- shalliers who have contributed most to the present deplorable state of your society. Of course, between black and white is an area of grey and with the great majority of people there is an overwhelming mass of greyness and very little black and white, whereas it should be the opposite.You will often hear the expression, "I am not going to be judgemental", and you can be sure, when you do, that the person expressing this is non-judgemental because he or she has no standards to be judgemental by. Those with a high set of standards cannot help but judge all things in the light of their standards and convictions. They will do this automatically. Without such standards and without convictions, obviously one is in no position to judge anything or anybody, Generally speaking, however, the claim to be non-judgemental is just a convenient way of not having to condemn something of which disapproval is felt.As you rise out of the mire of mediocrity you will find that many of your former acquaintances will become estranged. They may even accuse you of becoming 'uppish', 'stuck up' or 'pretentious', and this is because they recognise that you are rising above the state which they find compatible and comfortable. You are becoming superior to them.Yet, as you rise on the positivity scale, so will you notice a widening gap between yourselves and those whose attitudes previously seemed to accord with yours. Selectivity yes, exclusiveness no. Learn to discriminate.
Quote from: Enkisfreind on March 17, 2014, 03:56:42 AMMy point being that sometimes, it is by design, or even by subconscious choice, that somebody might be experiencing their "wilderness experience", so to speak.
Quote from: Enkisfreind on March 17, 2014, 03:56:42 AMMy life has sucked for a while now, spiritually speaking, I have learned much, but lost even more, camped here in the desert of my own wilderness experience, I find, that even in this, I can still look up at the stars, those luminaries that travelled this desert road before me, for guidance and inspiration.Its not so bed, being on the desert road, for at least, I am a traveller on the road, at least I know there is a road, and a destination.
Quote from: Lance on March 15, 2014, 06:33:06 PMQuoteIn the final equation, Sha'ul, people either "prefer" to wallow where they are or pull themselves out of the muck, as difficult as that can be. I would also like to add that this may not necessarily be the case. If people need to experience what others may class as wallowing in muck then this is what they need to experience. Eventually they will move beyond this state of being, but there may well be a very appropriate reason why this should be experienced for a period of time. Nor, do I believe, that pulling themselves out of the much to be difficult - unless, of course, one chooses it to be so.
Quote from: Lance on March 15, 2014, 06:33:06 PMQuotebut I ask you, who is the one that is greater, stronger, and more wise; he who is led by the hand with every advantage, or he who had nothing but acquired everything from the sweat of his brow and blood on his feet?Both are just as strong (or weak) and wise (or not) as each other. The task(s) to transcend the so-called tests of either are equal as, I believe are the outcomes or rewards (should one look at this in either light).
Quote from: Lance on March 15, 2014, 06:33:06 PMQuoteI tell you truly, it is the second man that God will favor beyond the stars...I cannot agree with this statement for two reasons: the level of work for those who have everything is just as difficult (and one could argue moreso) as it is for 'he who has nothing'. this type of thinking denotes a need for someone wealthy to keep others from attaining the same kind of wealth (in its widest concept). This, in itself, is an age-old tactic to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor. Take a look about you in today's society; the same game is still being played.
QuoteAnd of course you are correct, it need not be difficult to pull oneself out. Usually that is best understood in hindsightâ€¦ but remembering that, it can make the next challenge easier to face.
QuoteIt is not simply that you win the game or that a test is passed, value is added or lost in how you win the game, or how you passed a test.
QuoteThe tests actually do in fact become harder once wealth (in its widest sense) is attained. But these tests have little likelihood of being passed unless the lessons of the poor (and rising entrepreneurship) are learned first, which are, not coincidentally, the lessons taught to the youth in families of multigenerational wealth, as opposed to the youth in families of the nouveau riche.
QuoteReread the opening post of this thread, which is another similar exampleâ€¦ knowledge learned out of a book vs. knowledge seared into the soul, and known with a deep memory. One can win a game or pass a test with eachâ€¦ yet how different are the rewards and final sacrificesâ€¦