Started by Len, January 14, 2013, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Diane OstranderAll very confusing isn't it? The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning", or "morning star".See Revelation-22/1613 I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15 Without are dogs and sorcerers and unchaste and murderers and servers of idols and every one that loves and makes a lie. 16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star."rut ro...
Quote from: Diane OstranderI know, I can do that. I'll behave. Best to leave that as food for thought, or we'll be writing our own book next. Have a wonderful evening.
Quote from: Rex PerkinsWhence came you?
Quote from: Rex Perkins...actually, I was alluding to the freemasons, a very luciferian order. Diane is a little slice of Heaven.
Quote from: Diane OstranderMark 4:11 "but for those outside, everything comes in parables; in order that â€œthey may indeed look, but not perceive, and may indeed listen, but not understand".Freemasonry and my interest in it has more to do with me looking for specific answers to my questions, rather than my feelings being parallel to theirs. Do we really know what they believe? Better yet, do they know anymore?Lucifer was not mentioned in the Kolbrin. There were no "evil gods", nor "fallen angels", mentioned in the Kolbrin from what I can find. Of course I could be wrong. But "their God, was mentioned many times. They used both upper case G and lower case g. As was "our God". Does this mean that there were more than one? Does it mean that one was false and one was true? Same one God that each interpreted the best way they could understand? Were there lower gods and one true Creator of All?Kolbrin GLN:15:15 "The path of godliness is not an easy one to follow, for it is beset with the pitfalls of perplexity and doubt. Then, too, there is not one path, but several, and few among men know which is the best. There are many false paths leading nowhere, there are paths that lead to a wilderness of disillusion and some, which lead to destruction.Yet among the many beliefs springing up from time to time in various lands, there are always those, which lead to the same Truth. to the one Fountainhead of Light, though some may be devious and some wander through dangerous territory. They are like many roads leading pilgrims to the one shrine. Though all true paths are lit by the guiding light of Truth. not all see it alike; but the fault lies not so much in the light as in the beholder. It is this, which leads to misunderstandings concerning each other's teachings and to disputes between those who prefer one road and those preferring another. Each considers his own way, his own interpretation of the light to be the best, if not the only, way."
Quote from: Rex Perkins"There are some Southern Baptists more in tune with God, Truth, and Love than others whom have meditated 20 years and traveled the world in search for Truth."Having been raised Southern Baptist in the heart of the Bible belt, I must say that religious fervor is not the same thing and spiritual maturity.Having said that, I do know many spiritual giants in Bible country."what often on the surface appears to be a contradiction is actually in perfect harmony when fully grasped."the Duality of Irony... like I've said before, GOD is a comedian."â€œtheyâ€ both manifest that other godâ€™s attributes and literally attract an actual celestial Power."Santa is real!!!
Quote from: Rex PerkinsDidn't take it as such, Leonard, as I didn't show intolerance....except maybe for zealots.â€œTheir godâ€ is truly real for others who follow that god because â€œtheyâ€ both manifest that other godâ€™s attributes and literally attract an actual celestial Power. It is not â€œour godâ€ because we do not resonate with that Power, yet that â€œother godâ€ is not less real just because we donâ€™t interact with it. â€œLuciferâ€ is both the light bearer and the force that can blind, causing deception and confusion in one while serving an enlightening purification for others. One is Fallen while another Rises, each reacting differently to the same Power. One serves Evil by denying Evil exists, while another serves only Good by not Knowing Evil.""But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, Son, thou art welcome. But I said, Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one? The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him.Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child?" - CS Lewis "The Last Battle""Those who speak of a fallen archangel, as also those who speak of the embodiment of the evil principle, come closest to the truth. But here also a false attitude prevails, giving a false picture of everything. An embodiment of the evil principle makes one think of the summit, of the final goal, of all evil having been invested with life and body, thus the crowning, the complete culmination!On the contrary, however, Lucifer is the origin, the starting point and the driving power of the wrong principle! One should really not call the principle he brings forth the evil principle, but the wrong principle! The field of action of this wrong principle is the World of Matter.It is only here that the effects of the Light and the effects of Darkness, the two opposing principles, meet with one another, and constantly influence the human soul while it is developing on its journey through the World of Matter. Whichever of the two the human soul favours, in accordance with its own wishes, proves decisive for its ascent toward the Light or for its descent toward Darkness." - Abd-ru-shin
Quote from: Manuel CufreDon't some Satanists believe Lucifer to have been the Sumerian Enki too? These seem to me like a bunch of mixed up and misinterpreted ancient myths, same with the Bible.
Quote from: Rex Perkins"In the days of our fathers, before barren teachings clogged the thoughts of men, and vain, formal ritual built a wall which obscured understanding, men walked in the light of Truth. Then they knew there was One God alone, but because they allowed their higher abilities to fall to disuse, they saw less clearly. Because He appeared in different aspects, they thought He was many." - GLEANINGS 3:3
Quote from: Manuel Cufre"We have a god you and I, and you have a god and I have a god. The people have their gods and the strangers within your gates have their gods; but bidden behind all these is another God. These lesser gods are no more than His members. It is this God whom I seek. How can I, a mere mortal, describe Him? Only this do I know, as I learned it in a remote temple. This God came into existence before all else. He ever was, so none could know Him in the beginning and none knows His mysterious nature. No god came into existence before Him. How can I even name One who had no mother after whom His name might have been made? He had no father who could have named Him and said, "This is I, your father". None can display His likeness in writing, nor can it be cut with knife in wood or stone. He is too great that men should even enquire about Him. With what words could He be described to their understanding? No other god knows how to call Him by name, even the greatest of them being less than a servant before Him. Yet this I have been told, that the spirit of man can know this Great God and can even know His nature, therefore perchance the spirit of man is greater than any of the gods".For you Rex