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Started by Len, January 14, 2013, 05:42:24 PM


Manuel, that last quote really nails home much of what we've been dancing around!

Source please, for all the other boys and girls following at home...


Quote from: Diane OstranderJust read last night that the story of Lucifer is the story of us...oh my, I feel like it's opposite day every time I dive into this.
For anyone interested. Kind of sums it up in 3 pages....the Sumerian Anu, Enki, Enlil...Yahwah Satin Lucifer god, son of God parable.


There are nuggets of Truth in this article, laced with poison and twists of deception. Tread carefully here, using your heart and discernment as guides...


Quote from: Rex Perkinsyep, poor understanding of myths and intent


Quote from: Diane Ostrander"it is by gathering information and making unprejudiced observations while at the same time stretching the mind into the field of consciousness, that we develop the vehicle for the Soul, which can then “know” things by virtue of the gift of God."

I like nuggets of truth. I'm not saying that these are "my conclusions". I have no real ones, and they change back and forth with more information.

If you read the above link about would see in the story that he took a being already of the earth to make the human race. First it was just a slave-race, and then he altered his creation one more time to have knowledge, self awareness...etc.

"The body of man, God made of water and things of the Earth, breathing into him the Spirit of Life, that he might live. But man, when young, lived only to eat and drink and to fornicate, for, being conscious only of the Earth, he knew only earthly things and earthly ways.

CRT:2:4 When Heavenman was reborn of the she-ape in the cavern of Woe, could he taste the fruits of the Earth and drink of her waters, and feel the coolness of her winds? Did he not find life good? It is not all a tale of the courtyard!

CRT:2:5 Man, created from earthly substance alone, could not know things not of Earth, nor could Spirit alone subdue him. Had man not been created, who would have known God's wisdom and power? As the Spirit fills the body of man, so does God fill His creation.
CRT:2:6 Therefore, it was that both. In His wisdom and by the creative impulse which governs the Earth, He prepared a body for man, for the body of man is wholly of Earth.

It says Heavenman.
Man, (of some sort), was here already as a creation of God. Then Heavenman stepped in,(he could see God), and we mix and end up a more aware being of itself but who can't see God. Who was Heavenman and why was he here? Things point to more of a female energy like Sofia, or Maeva. And the why here?...forced to be here for reaching too far. What did he do? He was tempted by the flesh of the monkeywoman, or monkeyman.

Now lets enter into insane orbit! woo hoo!

So we have one race already here. I like to call them monkeyman just for fun. And we have a new race from Heavenman-(whoever he, she was), and we'll call them the Adams. 2 Races.

Did you know that...Pliny the Younger, who lived c. 62 to 113 AD wrote that early Christians were convicted because of their “hatred of humanity”.

The fall was when Heavenman interacted with she-ape, or heavenwoman interacted with ape-man. This created the son of man. The spiritual and the material being. This fall resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain.

You can call me crazy, no matter. I might change my mind tomorrow. But I have to keep seeking. Jesus fits into this too...but from what I see right now...he wasn't on the side of monkeyman, (who looked just like the fallen angels by then), but on the side of the Adams.


Quote from: Rex PerkinsFirst Account (Genesis 1:1-2:3)
Genesis 1:25-27 (Humans were created after the other animals.)

"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image."

Genesis 1:27 (The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Second Account (Genesis 2:4-25)
Genesis 2:18-19 (Humans were created before the other animals.)

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

Genesis 2:18-22 (The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.)

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."

Jesus says in Mark 10:6, "From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

I personally, think the first one is the story of the creation of mankind where the second is a story of the creation of two individuals.


Whatever might have happened in the past, we are all genetically mixed now, and have been since long before the time of Jesus. Today, as in Jesus’ time, there are only spiritual monkey men and spiritual Adams, which are not defined by genetics or lineage.

I, personally, am not for one ‘side’ or another, but do see my own path aligned with the spiritual Adams.

One more observation: there were many early Christian groups that disagreed with one another on a variety of issues. Tacitus' statement about Christian's "hatred of humanity" was referencing certain Gnostic sects, and certain rabid Paulines. Of course, this was out of line with Jesus' repeated teaching of love for humanity.

Then again, there was divergence from and a watering down of the original Teachings in nearly every early Christian sect from the very beginning, owing to the natural weakness and corruption inherent in man, which only can be overcome through continual striving and by great effort.


Quote from: Diane OstranderThank you for not calling me crazy.  ;) I agree God created man and woman first on earth, but they are who I call monkeyman. Maybe I should call them pre-adams, sounds nicer and they say the women were beautiful. As they were in his "image". But I feel that when the two humanities were created, they were placed under different authorities.
Leonard, I hope I'm more aligned with the Adams, I think I know I am. But I question everything. I don't think it's our choice of sides. More like there are options open to the Adams that the pre-Adams don't have. If you are an Adam your choice is to use what you have or not. “Do not cast your pearls before swine lest they turn and rend you in pieces”. No the pre-Adams won't eat us up. Just don't deny divine nature to an inadmissible degree, then the balance will be broken in favor of the pre-adams. And we're not quite certain who their authority is...but we can guess. Pre-Adams will get there all on their own. We're just to suppose to get to the ladder first.

Just my thoughts, not saying I have answers. Swish it around and keep what works for you, and if it doesn't then discard it.


You're not crazy at all Diane, except maybe crazy like a fox, as you are touching on issues that actually can get people ripped apart...

(Reread chapters 5 and 6 of the Book of Creation for the Kolbrin's perspective on this issue)

The main problem is that the children of Adam are still in two camps, and the war is still being fought on Earth and in Heaven. Try to understand the hidden implications and symbolism in the stories of Cain, Abel, and Seth and how that story is paralleled later in the story of Jacob and Esau.

The Jacobites are still in control, and it is their prerogative to accentuate misconceptions and ignorance in man in order to control, enslave, and leech. Some people intuiting a sense of these things become fiercely anti-semetic, not realizing that the House of Adam and the House of Israel is still divided, with the less numerous branch still fighting for mankind's freedom and enlightenment.

I've said enough for the time being...


Quote from: Katsi DuzynskiIn the interview with Hidden Hand on Wes Penre's radio show, HH makes the comment that the Abrahamic God is the'lesser' God of the Universe, or rather NOT the god of the entire cosmos. He is strictly in charge of what was going on here on EARTH - & he screwed up big time, and has a temper tantrum (when Adam & Eve make the discovery of the Tree of Good and Evil) AS IT IS described in the 'bible' - OR in OTHER WORDS - being that much of the language used in the assorted chapters in the bible, is METAPHOR ... not to be taken literally ... the tree means that one has the mere ability to choose right over wrong, the selection of FREE WILL, is what it is all about! The entire interview transcript is VERY revealing and thought provoking. Look for it and download it, as it contains MUCH interesting and positive material relating to humanity and other issues. The description of what a Luciferian believes in, is thought provoking, to say the least ...

Hidden Hand - For those who want to know: Reliable ...
Hidden Hand Interview: Powerfully transformative and inspiring interview with 'Hidden Hand,' the pseudonym for an alleged priest of the secret ruling bloodlines of ...


How about a little myth busting.  8) 

Quote"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

"The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell? The answer was a surprise.

In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

"Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, "bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King")."


Correct, Diane... Lucifer may not have been used in the OT, but Satan was.

A little more myth busting if I may. The concept of Hell was not in the OT either. This was falsely inserted by some of the early Christian fathers. Hell and Hades was replaced from the Hebrew word Sheol, which was the place of the dead where both the righteous and the wicked ended up after Earthly life. It is a dark, silent place that reminds one more of silent nothingness or a grayness where souls sleep in a semi unconsciousness.

A place like this does exist, but it is not reserved for all. Hell and Heaven also exist, but it is not the Lake of Fire or Angels singing on harps eternally. Rather these are colorful metaphors to describe a state of soul that isn't easy to describe in material terms.


Let’s not be mixing up our Satan’s with our Lucifer’s.  Hard enough to untangle the mess without mashing it all back together again.   ;D  But for the moment let’s see what Satan has been up to. 

Satan’s can and most often do appear as angels of light.  Tricky little devils aren’t they? Some say they are fallen angels who have become the minions of Satan.  Here is where they mix the fallen angels with the evils of the Satan’s, or we could call them the dark ones, the controlling ones, the ones who are more reptilian in nature.  Wise, cunning, deadly. The negative polarity that has to exist for balance.  We may not like it, but Satan will always be there.

We know that many ancient teachings tell us the essence of evil existed from the beginning. This means there has always been a pathway of darkness since the instant of creation.  So fallen angel’s, (Lucifer’s), did not create evil, nor did they create Satan’s.  Lucifer is not Satan.  2 different energies.  In my humble opinion, which is subject to change given any new information.  ;)


Its been a while, but I'm sure I remember reading, somewhere in the Torah, about how Israels G-d, had "brought to naught", the G-ds of Egypt.
For "G-d" to do that, surely, the god of Egypt must have existed ?
Unless its all just a story.....................
But I don't think so.
Also, the reference that Jesus makes to himself being the "morning star", is why some Jews say that Christians worship the Devil...........
Actualy, way back in the prophets, there is a warning somewhere, about a man named Ori BenBoker (Lucifer Son(of the) Morning. Its actualy about a man with that name, Ori BenBoker. Ori is a common Hebrew masculine name, and BenBoker , well, that wouldn't be hard to find.
Ori, is actually a lovely positive name, and Ive met people with that name in real life.
Ori, I think, means "Light Bearer".


I was just reading these posts, and remembered that years ago, I was having a conversation with Rabbi Avraham Feld and my friend Yair Davidy, about the Christians and lost Israelites. Rabbi Feld pointed out that the scripture in the book of Revelations, saying that Jesus was the bright morning star, was a reference to HaSatan, and that the Christians worshipped HaSatan, without realising it.
Interesting ?