Started by Len, November 16, 2014, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: ManuWell that's certainly a very pertinent subject for our times. However I personally try to always maintain a humble tone when dwelling upon spiritual topics with materialistic people. The problem here arises when one expresses ideas that are not wholly proven by any scientific method and the materialist demands proof which cannot be fully satisfied. In fact I myself have no definitive assurance of these things except for the mystical texts I've read throughout the years, which while very compelling, remain the words of other men and not based on my own experience. So while I will dwell on these topics I can't fully endorse them because I myself haven't fully corroborated them.One thing that is easily corroborated however is how the extreme materialism brings societies to a point of debauchery which is clearly detrimental. IF anything at least one should aspire to have a population interested in philosophical matters, which entertains their minds with thoughts about matters that concern humanity and its existence on this world. When people's thoughts are exclusively focused on material gratification then the time of their social demise cant' be far.
Quote from: ManuThey hold these old philosophers in high esteem but they simply consider their works to be the work of people from an era of ignorance who didn't have enough tools to corroborate their theories. I myself to be honest have not yet seen very solid scientific evidence for mystical beliefs of the existence of the soul as of yet. I think in a way all the current endeavors to test artificial intelligence and trying to download human consciousness to the digital realm constitute an attempt of humankind to finally answer the age old question of, what is actually consciousness?Also one must take into account how different branches of spiritual through there are, many of them being highly bogus. When you start talking about granting credibility to these things you have plenty of people espousing very different theories and it's very complicated to establish which should be taken seriously and which shouldn't. Scientific oriented people will call it all unfounded mystical superstition and disregard it outright, yet it's true that it's fascinating how people have a deep need for some kind of spiritual nourishment. Unfortunately this craving often leads them to cults that offer them cheap but gratifying ideologies which are based on nothing but fantasy.
Quote from: ManuWell to be honest I prefer to leave everything not fully demonstrable in the theoretical realm, whether scientific or metaphysical. I will totally be up for discussing these theories and entertain them but I won't go around professing them as the truth if I can't fully corroborate them, that would feel dishonest to me.It's interesting because many characters in the Kolbrin go over this very same preoccupation, the doubts that arise from someone who wants to believe in the immortality of the soul but hasn't fully experienced themselves the actual vision that grants the full certainty. It's a recurrent theme which leads to thinking that what I'm expressing was a very common thing even in ancient times (if indeed the Kolbrin is what it purports to be)
Quote from: ManuYeah well I may have posted some interesting articles but that doesn't mean they represented definitive irrefutable evidence
Quote from: Lance on April 03, 2015, 06:24:06 AMI feel that perhaps democracy has already failed throughout the so-called democratic world.
Quote from: Lance on April 03, 2015, 06:24:06 AMI believe more and more scientists are actually coming to the conclusion there is something 'out there' that pertains to higher concepts. I have heard this through acknowledgements of 'the God particle', the 'Universe' as though it has some form of consciousness associated to, but far superior, than our own. I'm sure there are other titles used by science in order to integrate a somewhat materialistic view with that of a spiritual (or possibly even religious) view.
QuoteCERN is an institute that researches particle collision using a Large Hadron Collider...
QuoteThree scientific discoveries that have happened within the past twenty years are cloning, stem cell organ harvesting, and nano-robotics...
QuoteGod needs to be in the hearts of people so science complements spirituality. It was tried during the Roman Empire.
QuoteWith advances in science, the material world can be corrupted.