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History: Modern & Ancient / Re: Maori Tradition
« Last post by guest1 on November 17, 2020, 03:24:55 PM »
Hi Lance, its possible :)

There is a Definite Megalithic Track across the Old World from the Atlantic to the Pacific

This Track passes from Japan over Micronesia and — Polynesia to the American Coast

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BroMaor-t1-body1-d1-d4.html

(8) Thereafter the megalithic route across the Pacific is broken and incontinuous. Not till Samoa is reached, away to the south-east, do we pick it up again, for between lay the coral groups of the Marshalls and the Gilberts, the islands of which have not the permanence of volcanic structure, but are the work of the coral insect, at the mercy of storm and billow. The Fale-o-le-fee, or House of the Fairy, behind Apia, is an ellipse of giant stone columns, no mean rival of our Stonehenge. In the Tongan group, to the south of Samoa, we have again the size and the permanency of ancient land, and here we have the gigantic truncated pyramids which are called the tombs of the Tui-Tongas, and the colossal trilithon or gateway composed of three giant stones. It is useless seeking for such ancient structures in the low coral groups like the Paumotas and the Austral Archipelago.

(9) The track is again resumed away to the east in Huahine, one of the Society group, where a dolmen or colossal stone altar exists, and in Tahiti a gigantic truncated pyramid. To the north-west, in Hawaii, are the huge temples of Waikiki and Punepa, whilst to the south and south-east we have the minute Rapa, Pitcairn, and Easter Islands, lying in somewhat the same latitude, 27 to 28 south of the Equator, the two page 5former separated by more than a thousand miles of ocean, the two latter by some fifteen hundred miles; and in each of them there are unmortared stone monuments. To complete the megalithic story of the Pacific, we have two specimens of this ancient type of stone structure in the North Island of New Zealand, one a miniature Stonehenge, with huge blocks standing six or seven feet above the ground, at Kerikeri, in the Bay of Islands, and another near Ateamuri, to the north of Taupo, consisting of fifty great stones set erect in the earth.

Clear Evidence of a Fair Race having been Absorbed
by the Polynesians

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BroMaor-t1-body1-d4.html

(12) But it is in Polynesia proper that most evidences of a primeval fair race have been gathered. Taken as a whole the islanders of this region have a singularly European appearance. What struck all the early voyagers was the fine faces and regular features of most of the islanders, and some of them broke into raptures over the beauty of the women and the stalwart grace of the men. They constitute one of the tallest races in the world. Their hair is generally abundant, and generally wavy, never kinky, like the hair of the negroids, and never rank and coarse, like that of the mongoloids and they can unlike these two divisions of page 32mankind, have, if they wish, plenty of hair on the face. The colour of it is generally dark, and amongst many of them a certain proportion of the children have brown hair, which changes into black only at full maturity. The complexion is, as a rule, brown, but it is very often olive, and no darker than that of the Southern Italians; and colour is as much a matter of climate and food as of race. Dr. Hamy, the French anthropologist, finds from new measurements that "in the east, north, and south they present a long-headedness very pronounced." Other observers incline to place them amongst the medium-headed men, neither very round nor very long. But the skulls that the Americans took out of the burial platforms of Easter Island are in appearance decidedly long.

(13) There are even cases of a cross with a blonde Caucasian race amongst the Maoris, and especially amongst the Ureweras, who have seen little of Europeans till lately; the urukehu, or red-headed, families and individuals are not infrequent, and the red-head is generally accepted as an indication of a cross between a blonde and brunette race, whilst it is acknowledged that this tribe, not long after arriving in the Matatua canoe, passed inland to the highlands round Lake Waikaremoana, and, struggling with the inhabitants of the mountain and forest land, ultimately amalgamated with them. In that other long-isolated district, the King Country, near the harbour of Kawhia, there are many of these rufous people, and, at the same time, the tribes there speak of their ancestors, the immigrants of the Tainui canoe, amalgamating with the aboriginals, the Ngatimokotorea. And they say that in the fore part of the Tainui a fairy woman called Te Peri had command. The aboriginals of the Ureweras are called by them the Toi; and Mr. Elsdon Best quotes a Maori description of this primitive people as peaceful and good, a contrast to the restless warriors that had come in amongst them from Polynesia.


The Fairy Peoples of Maori Legend are all European-
like, and in all Countries Fairies are the Defeated
Aborigines

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BroMaor-t1-body1-d4.html

(14) A significant substitution by the Ureweras, when the urukehu are mentioned, is the word Turehu, which is used by the Maoris as almost interchangeable with Patupaiarehe in the sense of a fairy or beneficent supernatural being. The Turehu are also represented as an aboriginal people absorbed by the Polynesian immigrants forty generations, or about a thousand years, ago. They had come, according to White's "Ancient History of the Maori," "from the other side of the ocean," and conquered the Tutu-mai-ao, who had before them conquered the Kui, the people that got the land from Maui, when he fished it out of the sea.
Good read, i am a descendant of the Urewera aboriginies spoken of in your quote.Today my tribe is known as Tuhoe who are a mix of the Ancestors of Mataatua, a waka of the great migration, and Nga Potiki the Aboriginies of the Urewera(as well as other aboriginie tribes ie Te Hapuoneone, Te Tini o Toi)Whose origins I shall go into a little more.

Before we move on it should be stated  Nga Potiki(aboriginies)were not migrants from distance lands like those of the great migration, but were instead born in New Zealand from a union between two gods namely Te Maunga and Hinepukohurangi.From what I know the pakeha authors of the story I give were sometimes given false information as not to confuse his undeveloped mind of the tall tales told by natives.The story I give is the beginning of the urewera Aboriginies as told by my tipuna and recorded by Elsdon Best.(note Tutakangahau described in the link below is my 3xgreat grandfather who is pictured wearing the korowai)

In times long past away, when men held strange powers, and godlike beings dwelt on earth, there lived one Hine-pukohu-rangi. She was the personification of mist and fog. Hine-pukohu-rangi is said to have lured Te Maunga (the Mountain range) to earth at a place called Onini, which is on the line of road from Galatea to Waikare-moana, at Ruatahuna, on the left bank of the Mana-o-rongo stream, and opposite Te Kau-tawhero and Māna-tēpā. A clump of New Zealand flax, looked upon as being tapu, formerly marked the spot where Te Maunga came to earth.

From the union of the Mountain and the Mist Maiden sprang Potiki the First, who appears to have been an ordinary specimen of the genus homo, and from whom descended the tribe known as Nga-Potiki. Such is the origin of this people who have held the rugged forest wilds of Tuhoeland for many generations. They are the offspring of supernatural beings, of personifications of nature, sayeth the Maori. They have sprung from their own savage ranges, and from the white fog clouds which envelop them. They are begotten of Mother Nature. They are the Children of the Mist.

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=958&page=0&action=searchresult&target=

Next I give you the geneoalogy of the atua Hinepukohurangi mother of the Urewera aboriginie.The names in the top left hand corner are of most importance and should be taken note of as they include Hinepukohurangi and her famed ancestors.

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php?wid=958&pn=iii&action=

Counting generations back from Potiki(human child of Hinepukohurangi) in the geneoalogy above we only have 12 ancestors.Now trying to explain the union of atua creating humans to a non maori is testing enough, having to explain that 12 generations before Potiki(Primary human ancestor of Nga Potiki) we start dealing with a primal parent of this universe in Ranginui is flat out insane.This is the same Ranginui who begat Tane, Tangaroa Tawhirimatea.The enormity in trying to grasp the concept of Nga Potiki and its spiritual origins and geneaology is expressed in the writings of author Elsdon Best.

Nga Potiki were of a peaceful nature although records of war were recorded.Hence there inability to thwart off attacks made by the migrants of Haiwaiiki, namely the Mataatua people whom the Nga Potiki went onto amalgamate with.It should be noted that unlike many of the other Aboriginies of New Zealand, Nga Potiki were not pushed to the brink of extinction, nor were they killed in great numbers.Instead the Mataatua migrant chose to marry the aboriginies, and to this day the majority of Nga Potiki aboriginie hapu and marae still exist with geneoalogy customs still intact and taught to children of learning age through song, geneaolgy geography etc.Infact one could show you the exact resting place of Te Maunga where he was lured to from heaven by the beauty of Hinepukohurangi.A simple drive is all thats needed to find this piece of history.

The importance of the Nga Potiki Aboriginie taught to their descendants lies in the story of Maui and his fish.The ancestral mountain of Nga Potiki(Tuhoe as there known today)Maungapohatu lies directly on the heart of the great fish, rendering the old aboriginies the kaitiaki of the heart of Te ika a Maui.Further teachings to our people explain that the fish of Maui can still exist if the head of the fish(Wellington)were to be destroyed, the same goes for Te hiku o te Ika(the tail, Far North)if destroyed the islands continue to exist.But if Te Manawa o Te Ika(The Heart, Maungapohatu)were for some reason destroyed, Aotearoa as we know it would cease to exist.

After reading the pakeha author and his opening statements about Nga Potiki in the link above, one would believe the descendants have no real sense or ideas of there history.Yet Elsdon Best goes onto write enough information about Nga Potiki to keep the reader studying its contents years of research to comb through.

Next I want to touch on the statement made by you on the fair haired people in your quote, not only did they exist there decsendants to this day are still walking around and are STILL clearly defined by their fine features and coloured hair.Separating them from others within our iwi is easily done through whakapapa and there affiliation with specific hapu who are mentioned in stories from pre european settlement as those of urukehu origin.The stories I mention clearly define a fair skinned people of coloured hair who partook in the normal activities of everyday life days of old.In fact my kuia resembled that of a urukehu, described by my ancestors to the nosey authors of the 19th century, whos geneaology can be traced back to the mythological natives.She being one of many I know to have inherited the finer features and coloured hair described in old tales told by my ancestors.Evidence of the existance of urukehu within my iwi can be found in the link below.

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Stout75-t9-body-d1-d10.html

Take note of Matangaua described as urukehu(in above link)being of Ngai Te Riu hapu belonging to the Iwi Nga Potiki.The tribe whose origin isnt that of the migrants of Aotearoa, but whos origin was born in Aotearoa of divine pro creation as explained at the beginning of this korero.If one wishs to study the urukehu of Ngai Te Riu he would only have to visit one of the many marae belonging to Ngai Te Riu in my ancestral land.There he would see for himself living ancestors of the urukehu with described features on full display.It must be noted that Ngai Te Riu was a Aboriginie hapu of Nga Potiki which means its beginning is of pre migration times.Note I am of the Ngai Te Riu line through my kuia who I mentioned above.

Also the links I have left are accounts of stories told by my ancestors to pakeha authors, whom I am told by my elders were never fully trusted with the teachings of my people.If one wished to fully grasp our history hed have to immerse himself deep into everyday life of tuhoe culture.For the countless books left behind by pakeha merely scratch the surface of lore taught from the beginning of time.Although most of the information Ive read pertaining to my iwi is true, a lot of whakapapa is misplaced, place names and events mixed which is why such information from these books should be used as a guide.

After reading your history of aboriginie people and such I thought it be a good idea to share my history of my iwi and its aboriginie history.What intrigued me were your descriptions of urukehu being that of a myth, where in my hapu that knowledge flows through our veins taught to us with whakapapa from our ancestors, coupled with descendants who to this day still display the foreign features of those described in myth and legend.

Also i sensed a hint of disdain(maybe unintentional)for those of the great migration as the cause of lost history customs  and culture of the placid Aboriginies.Luckily for the aboriginie of Aotearoa we were blessed with the might of the warriors of Hawaiiki.For without them I fear the placid nature of our aboriginies would have easily been overthrown and overtaken by the european settler and his musket as was the fate of the placid aboriginie of Australia.The resistance shown by our Hawaiiki line is the reason we still have our marae, our language, and our culture.The Treaty that united the Natives and The Crown(as useless as it seems to be)as we know it would be non existent, as would this conversation and any information pertaining to it.
The current knowledge of Waitaha or Nga Potiki history would have surely been but a memory of those gone before.

Id like to discuss further as Ive barely scratched the surface of this korero.When dealing with history I see its primary function as a key to answer questions of the future.

Kia ora e hoa

The disdain you sensed was from the author of the quotes lol,  I whole hardheartedly agree, the  deeper we can connect to our roots and identify them, the more water one can access....your post there was like a bell for me, a conformation. At the time of this i also meet an other person who's whakapapa, went back to Persia.

On my Dads side Te rarawa up north (Tail of the Fish) we have a similar history, with amalgamated tribes, i think one of them is connected to your area, where kin to the ones that algamated with us?. I did have a few moments of jealousy lol, as you have obviously been brought up within your tribe and customs since early age, and have a firm understanding and foundation in which to work from, where i was not brought up within the culture to such a degree.  I also agree about the treaty, as i see it, it puts us in a unique opportunity, it connects the old world with the new, the new law, with the old lore. By the treaty with the crown that lore is protected, tikanga etc. Looking forward to hearing your insights on this subject

Nga mihi

Ra
 
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Kolbrin/Kailedy / Re: The Secret Teachings of Jesus to His Disciples
« Last post by guest1 on October 12, 2020, 10:49:04 PM »
It is true that the Church, in it's mission for power and control, destroyed many of the other Teachings and alternate churches. Much has been lost here, and this is regrettable.

However, Jesus constantly spoke in symbol and allegory. He did this precisely because deeper teachings were not meant for the masses or for the profane. That which he taught to his disciples privately involved spiritual practices that induced direct spiritual experience, which could then later be discussed with them, but not possibly be understood by the layman or dabbler without similar direct experience. Initiates understand that throwing someone into the deep end that isn't even sure whether to dip their toes in will simply drown the uninitiated. If you think that the most basic and clearest of spiritual principals were perverted and distorted by the Church and others, what do you think would have been done with deeper and more powerful Teachings? If I teach you how to build a fire, and you then become an arsonist, do you think it would be better if I instead gave you the keys to atomic energy?!

There is actually a practical instructional program given by 'outward' and public Christianity. Mostly, this instruction is ethical in nature and seems rather straightforward and simple. But it is not easy. It requires discipline, a tremendous amount of soul searching, and self control. How much have you mastered this instruction (not you personally, but all who read this)? As you begin to master it, layers of symbol and allegory open themselves to you which was not previously seen or understood. At a certain point, you are ready for the deeper teachings and practices, and these things WILL come to you, either in the form of certain documents, a live teacher, or a group. This is when a type of initiation occurs, more advanced teachings commence, and your journey continues on another level.

All things come to those that are ready for them. We are surrounded by Truth, but see only a fraction. The more you open your eyes, the more you see. And that which the young do not need, require, or can digest, will fly over their heads until their next growth spurt.
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Theology / Re: The Cathar (Cathari)
« Last post by guest1 on October 12, 2020, 10:02:50 PM »
While Catharism itself has been extinguished, its philosophy existed prior to itself under different names, and continues even to today.

If you want to understand historical Catharism, you will have to read the Catholic heresiologists of the time writing on the Cathars. I know, attempting to understand a group or philosophy by the writings of their enemies is not ideal. However, again this takes discernment, one can read beyond the biases and propaganda to find the core of Truth at the base of the argument. You can discover what the Cathar believed, what their core principals were, and what their distinguishing practices were.

My opinion of them is another story. But you can discover for yourself who they were by reading the history their enemies wrote with discernment.
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Theology / Re: The Nag Hammadi Library
« Last post by guest1 on October 12, 2020, 09:30:44 PM »
The Nag Hammadi is one of the most important ancient spiritual discoveries found in centuries, and more so, in my opinion, than the much more popularized Dead Sea Scrolls! It is also the prime mover for the modern Gnostic movement.

It seems to me that this is a compendium of manuscripts with different origin groups, mostly of early Christian Gnostics (of whom, there were many different groups with different practices, teachings, and interpretations of the Gospels). I would caution that some of the texts in this compendium are unhealthy, destructive, or delusional, but there are diamonds in the rough (such as the Gospel of Thomas). Novice spiritual seekers would be advised to avoid the Nag Hammadi until such time as they are able to build a high level of spiritual discernment, as well as being able to open their EYE to layers of deeper symbolism. Otherwise, it would be easy to fall into a hateful place into which the most essential kind of advancement is limited.

In other words, for those following along: Stick to something more basic, more pure, and that which you know as safe and good. You are liable to burn your fingers on the Nag Hammadi. For advanced students only.
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Books, Literature, & Authors / Re: William Walker Atkinson
« Last post by guest1 on October 12, 2020, 09:11:09 PM »
Thank you for sharing!

While only having a passing knowledge of Atkinson, I have personally read The Kybalion, which is a modern masterpiece of Hermetic thought that may possibly have Atkinson as an author. Which books of Atkinson do you recommend specifically, and for what purposes?

Very interested in further reading and study along these lines. My sense is Atkinson was on to something very special!
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New Member Introduction and Forum Questions / Re: Wondering where everyone went...
« Last post by guest1 on October 12, 2020, 08:50:38 PM »
Welcome to the Culdian Forums, HIS-Truth! Very happy you found and enjoy these Teachings and hope they add value to the lives of you and yours.

The Culdian Trust is still alive and active. Most Culdians themselves do not participate in much social media, and it is up to me currently to maintain a public presence. As to the other members and posters of this forum that have come and gone throughout the years, oftentimes they were looking for specific answers to questions they had on their own individual journey, and once answered, continued their journey without much public engagement. Much of the spiritual work our Teachings advocate for is solitary, and that which is communal largely deals with family and associated community. We do actually get quite a large amount of traffic to the site of those wishing to learn without engagement. However, I would stress to them, and you, that those desiring Mastery of Life requires more than solitary practice, doing so among likeminded spiritual seekers. Group spiritual practice is meant more for those who have a lifetime commitment towards spiritual enlightenment and ascendency. This is not for everyone.

These forums are also a good repository for good information and dialogue. But it is also difficult to compete with something like Facebook on a subject that is very niche for most people. There is a Kolbrin Facebook page I'd recommend, but it is rather more limited to the Kolbrin and Kailedy, whilst the focus on these forums is rather more broad. See here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/268206779020

I would urge you to look at the Kolbrin Facebook group and continue to post topics and questions of interest here. While I cannot promise a large group dialogue, I can promise at least a smaller quality dialogue. And such dialogue, even among only two, will serve more than you may presently realize.
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Kolbrin/Kailedy / Re: The Secret Teachings of Jesus to His Disciples
« Last post by guest1 on September 23, 2020, 03:16:27 AM »
Consider the fact that the New Testament contains some of the activities and allegorical teachings of Jesus Christ. However, none of the hidden/higher teachings, nor an explanation as to how one might engage in spiritual practice. Of course through right prayer for understanding and positive reflection on Jesus' words one may come to the essence on their own. The question then arises, why wouldn't Jesus give clear explanations, knowing well that His teachings would be subject to misinterpretation and distortion by those seeking power and glory for themselves?

It is all too easy today for some puffed up preacher to give their interpretation of what Jesus has taught, as most people don't study the Bible either way and have been told to simply follow the "representatives" of God. What seems to make more sense is that all clear and higher teachings were simply removed during the compilation of the Bible. Look at the Gospel of Thomas for example, despite lacking in stories about where Jesus went and who he healed etc. it is full of higher spiritual understanding. Apostle Thomas did not waste any time explaining what Jesus did, rather he focused purely on what Jesus taught.

While it is wonderful to read about the life of Jesus Christ and His glorious interactions with others, without the depth of His teachings it is nothing more than a bedtime story in the hands of the average person. Without a doubt we must have access to Jesus' pastimes, so that we may glorify and remember Him. Though it is clear that anything which provided guidance and a way to connect to God on one's own terms was intentionally removed allowing the "church" to retain power... what Jesus truly meant when He said Church may be discussed in a later post.

Had the majority of the population been given Jesus' real teachings the Christian world, and dare we say the entire world, would be a very different place. That is exactly why communities like the Cathar, the Templars, the Bogomils and many others were targeted by the "church", martyred and forced in to hiding. They knew the true teachings of Jesus and this threatened the feeble hold of the "church" over the people.

We urge everyone to go deep in to the mysteries of the Lord. Search for the Truth in all places, however do so with caution. History has been significantly distorted in favour of the evil one and his minions. Your heart and soul will indicate what is Truth and what is abominable fiction.

May you be blessed in your search for the Truth.
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Kolbrin/Kailedy / Re: What is the definition of "KOLBRIN"? why and who named it the "Kolbrin"?
« Last post by guest1 on September 21, 2020, 02:40:43 PM »
While unable to fully comprehend the full meaning of the symbol, one thing that catches the eye is the shape of a womb. The Kolbrin mentions the "Womb of Creation".

"He took thought and brought into being within Himself the Universal Womb of Creation containing the everlasting essence of slumbering spirit." - Book of Creation, Ch 1

Len mentioned that all pieces are insignificant in themselves without understanding the deeper meaning. Therefore this is perhaps only one small piece.

All the best.
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New Member Introduction and Forum Questions / Wondering where everyone went...
« Last post by guest1 on September 21, 2020, 02:22:09 PM »
Greetings Everyone,

We feel very fortunate to have come across the Culdian Trust and are looking forward to learning more about your spiritual practices and understanding. Currently reading the Kolbrin and Gospel of Kailedy and are excited to have found yet another set of original scripture which was previously hidden from the world.

What is curious is why the most recent posts are from January of this year... Did everyone migrate to another platform? Is the Culdian Trust still active?

Please let us know if there is another place with which we can associate with you and yours.

Thank you kindly.
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Books, Literature, & Authors / William Walker Atkinson
« Last post by guest1 on September 21, 2020, 08:03:38 AM »
Greetings Everyone,

William Walker Atkinson was what one might call "mysterious" in his life and even his "death" (there are claims that his death certificate is written and signed in his own handwriting). Hailing from a humble background, Mr. Atkinson found the teachings of the New Thought movement (not to be confused with New Age) to be a most useful tool in regaining his health after suffering life threatening illness. After which he went in search of Truth and the Arcane.

Mr. Atkinson has written many books under several different pseudonyms, including Yogi Ramacharaka, Swami Panchadasi, Theron Q. Dumont and the Three Initiates. Most of his books emphasize the importance of the Mind, Willpower and Desire, all of which are nicely defined in his books, and are not what we've been led to believe about them.

For any and all interested in his works, below is a link to download the pdf versions of a small handful of his entire collection. Please keep in mind that Mr. Atkinson's work is now public domain, therefore you should have no trouble downloading it.

https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/william-walker-atkinson-books.html

Other great authors of the power of mind and prayer are Ernest Holmes and Emmet Fox, for which we may do a separate post.

All the best.
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