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May 01, 2014, 09:05:06 PM

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Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« on: May 01, 2014, 09:05:06 PM »
(Note -- This discussion was initiated after replying to a list of American Founding Fathers' Quotes found here: http://culdiantrust.org/culdianforums/index.php?topic=220.0 )

Quote from: Manu
It's hard to set aside politics and become brothers and sisters when politics are so diametrically opposed nowadays. I really see no hope for consensus with the dramatic conflict of beliefs that we see today. Best in any case would be for people to try to relocate among others who share their views to the largest extent.

May 01, 2014, 09:07:31 PMReply #1

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 09:07:31 PM »
I was discussing more in terms of online relationships on the forums, which can extend to face to face relationships among those of us whose prime interests relate to self-mastery, spirituality, truth, etc. Among these folks, political differences need not divide at all. On the contrary, I personally have spent extended periods of time with communists and anarchists (of which I am neither) in close quarters (in the woods and jungle) without political differences impinging upon our relationships in the slightest.

Perhaps it was the devotion to Truth above all else, which allowed for civility and comradery even following heated political debates. Perhaps it was that politics played a second to spirituality, and that the similar working towards personal advancement tied a stronger kinship than how a far off government (or lack of one) should be formed. In either case, political differences have rarely gotten in the way of my connections or friendships with those of similar spiritual goals.

May 01, 2014, 09:07:51 PMReply #2

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 09:07:51 PM »
Quote from: Manu
I have been able to remain friends of people of very different ideologies yet we certainly don't strive for the same kind of world. It's mostly due to civility I think that these kinds of relationships can subsist such ideological antagonism.

May 01, 2014, 09:08:05 PMReply #3

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 09:08:05 PM »
There you go… civility is an essential to living together, regardless of ideology. Uncivil people of the same ideology have a hard time living together…

May 01, 2014, 09:08:23 PMReply #4

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 09:08:23 PM »
Quote from: Manu
Yeah but civility has a limit, when people start pushing their own views too hard onto the rest then at some point people will snap, as civil as they may be.

May 01, 2014, 09:08:39 PMReply #5

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 09:08:39 PM »
Some people snap… others walk away… others smile, quietly understanding… others attempt to heal in ways conventional and unconventional. In the end I guess it would depend on one’s own level of civility, awareness, and personal proclivities.

What an interesting stew…  ;)

May 01, 2014, 09:09:00 PMReply #6

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:00 PM »
Quote from: Manu
Well the American founding fathers were clearly not tolerating of certain ideologies and they spent all their effort fighting against them. I think there are certain things from which we can't walk away from because ultimately they threaten to destroy the fabric of all that holds our lives together.

May 01, 2014, 09:09:13 PMReply #7

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:13 PM »
Agreed, but they were able to live and debate amongst those who were of different ideologies (American loyalists to the British Crown), civilly and peacefully, before and after the revolution…

When there is a gun in your face, or blood in the street, well, that’s a different story.

May 01, 2014, 09:09:34 PMReply #8

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:34 PM »
Quote from: Manu
Yeah well you can always debate civilly until a certain point, unfortunately when there's a clash of interests this is not of so much benefit ultimately.

May 01, 2014, 09:09:56 PMReply #9

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 09:09:56 PM »
Sometimes conflict is inevitable… and can even provide a cleansing function. My point was that that is rarely, if ever, necessary between Seekers on the Soulpath.

In any case, there should virtually be no risk of guns or blood where we stand in this group or in the forums.  ;)

May 01, 2014, 09:10:17 PMReply #10

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 09:10:17 PM »
Quote from: Manu
I've lost many friendships with people who claimed they were spiritual due to politics. I guess they weren't so spiritual as they claimed after all.

May 01, 2014, 09:10:29 PMReply #11

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 09:10:29 PM »
Perhaps they, perhaps you… perhaps other dynamics in the situation not easily seen. But I suspect this is more a case of personality conflict and weak relationship skills rather than issues of ideology.

May 01, 2014, 09:10:50 PMReply #12

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2014, 09:10:50 PM »
Quote from: Manu
Well you know me Len, you can have a nasty argument with me and I'll be cool about it a while after. But these people just wouldn't tolerate different views.

May 01, 2014, 09:11:24 PMReply #13

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2014, 09:11:24 PM »
I make no judgment in terms of who to blame, as I am unfamiliar with the details. But assuming another will not tolerate you because you hold different political beliefs, this is not open-mindedness, civility, or anything resembling one who seeks Truth wherever it leads.

Such a one cannot be on the Soulpath, whatever pretenses or parroting they make for spirituality. In this case, the dissolution of the relationship is better and healthier in the long run for you, Manuel.

Separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were…

May 01, 2014, 09:12:44 PMReply #14

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2014, 09:12:44 PM »
the dissolution of the relationship is better and healthier in the long run for you, Manuel.

Quote from: Manu
Yes, I think this also applies to societies at the macro scale