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May 01, 2014, 09:13:09 PMReply #15

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2014, 09:13:09 PM »
One need not be friends to be associates, acquaintances, or neighbors…

May 01, 2014, 09:13:30 PMReply #16

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2014, 09:13:30 PM »
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It's not only about being friends, it's about coexistance. Some people just don't tolerate certain ways of perceiving life in this world. Trying to make people of diametrically opposite views coexist can only lead to strife.

May 01, 2014, 09:13:43 PMReply #17

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2014, 09:13:43 PM »
These are extreme cases, Manuel. There are many people who claim strong political ideologies, but only the tiniest fraction of these would die for it. When push comes to shove, most people back down and adjust or redefine political views when a violent reality is on the horizon.

But sure, when things get this extreme, you either relocate, or pick up arms…

Again though, I’ve never seen such a thing happening among Seekers.

May 01, 2014, 09:14:01 PMReply #18

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2014, 09:14:01 PM »
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Maybe among true seekers I guess.

May 01, 2014, 09:14:28 PMReply #19

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 09:14:28 PM »
This is whom I mean… and this is whom I am speaking to in that post, as these are the sorts of people we’d like to attract to the forum… and yes, there are not many…  :(

Political divisions, among True Seekers, have been the least cause of division in my experience, even when those differences are extreme.

In any case, conflict is still sometimes necessary in the world at large. Blood will eventually spill, when people choose to force their will on others to the point of arms or confinement, this is an inevitability as long as people forcefully dominate others.

Yet, there is one quote form Jefferson I hesitated to share:

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson

May 01, 2014, 09:15:08 PMReply #20

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 09:15:08 PM »
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You know I'd agree with that one  ;)

Problem is how to define tyrants, because if a tyrant is of compatible ideology with certain groups, they may instead consider him/her a great leader and do their bidding.

May 01, 2014, 09:15:28 PMReply #21

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 09:15:28 PM »
Anyone is free to follow whomever they choose…

If that leader, or their followers in his name attempts to compel another by force of arms or confinement to follow likewise, through conscription of labor, wages, or belief into following that ideology; this is tyranny, to a greater or lesser extent.

May 01, 2014, 09:15:50 PMReply #22

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2014, 09:15:50 PM »
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I'd agree but some people would say that those things should be embraced if they are in favor of the "common good".

May 01, 2014, 09:16:06 PMReply #23

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2014, 09:16:06 PM »
Let those who believe this then give their labor, wages, and belief to the “common good” to congregate together. And let those who believe otherwise separate, or defend themselves, if they are not given leave to separate…

Of course there are many degrees to the above, and each must choose what is most appropriate for themselves.

Others don’t care one way or another, as long as they eat, have shelter, and their families are in peace.

Big world, lot of people with a lot of choices and preferences.

May 01, 2014, 09:18:06 PMReply #24

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2014, 09:18:06 PM »
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Couldn't agree more. Specially with that first paragraph.

And the last line as well  ;)



This one is interesting. I think there are people ready to live without governments or states of any sort, yet unfortunately as they are a minority they would end up needing some sort of way to separate themselves from the rest before the collectivists and statists again turn to the whole thing upside down. There seems to be a conundrum here which I don't know how it could be solved.

May 01, 2014, 09:18:21 PMReply #25

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2014, 09:18:21 PM »
Depending on the men you are dealing with, no government can be just as evil as total government, perhaps more so…

May 01, 2014, 09:18:49 PMReply #26

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2014, 09:18:49 PM »
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Yes....

It's a hard balance to attain.

May 01, 2014, 09:19:04 PMReply #27

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2014, 09:19:04 PM »
Personal virtue among men is the balance to attain, which is why political science is of a secondary importance.

A society of virtuous men will thrive and advance under either scenario…  ;)

May 01, 2014, 09:19:27 PMReply #28

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It's precisely shaping such society of virtuous men which is the great challenge.

May 01, 2014, 09:19:39 PMReply #29

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Re: Politically Opposed: How Can We Live Together?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2014, 09:19:39 PM »
Sure is, but political forms, or lack of them, is not what does the trick regardless.