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April 04, 2013, 05:36:25 AMReply #30

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 05:36:25 AM »
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Leonard you'll have to fill me in as to how far off I am. You could always message me. I think we can still do that on facebook. yes? not sure really, they change things here.

April 04, 2013, 05:37:11 AMReply #31

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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2013, 05:37:11 AM »
We will discuss more, Diane... but I'd rather not private message with you too much on Facebook. We shall have another tool for that shortly.  :)

April 04, 2013, 05:37:44 AMReply #32

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2013, 05:37:44 AM »
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Oh my comment on women that I made many comments back was not online to answer for a few days ... it had to do with her creating new life in the sense of humans - not having anything necessarily to do with creating material things ... like 'goods' - or what have you. That could have been the deal ... Men wanted to control it all from the start and I think there was more than a hint of jealousy involved - a bit of resentment perhaps towards women and their special status as keepers of special knowledge and lore - that they often could also not wrap their heads around ... in addition to their status as life bringers into the world.

April 04, 2013, 05:38:42 AMReply #33

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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2013, 05:38:42 AM »
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When I had first heard about the Neanderthal and Cro-Mag interbreeding I had doubts. I had always heard it was impossible. But I'm convinced. Keep coming up against that there was more than one fall too. Wondering about the possibility of mars having been inhabited at one time, and any other planet not to far from us for that matter. Maybe the Angels didn't fall, but part of them, (DNA), or actual physical creatures came here. So many stories, so much to untangle.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/58936/description/Neandertal_genome_yields_evidence_of_interbreeding_with_humans

April 04, 2013, 05:39:23 AMReply #34

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2013, 05:39:23 AM »
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it is possible martian spirits reincarnated here on earth.

if they did exist

April 04, 2013, 05:39:45 AMReply #35

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spirit exist in everything, and all spirit is connected to source, so yes it is possible, concidering the planets play a role in cycles, even the cycles of the spirit. Thus according to time and place of birth, what energy signiture is accored to one, via spirit configeration/frequentcy circit of the stars and planets.

April 25, 2013, 11:39:32 AMReply #36

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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2013, 11:39:32 AM »
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The end of the worship of the Mother Goddess, and the subsequent devaluation of women in society, came with the invasion of the northern Indo-European tribes from 2300 BC until the laws of the Hebrews, written down between 1250 and 1000 BC. At this time, the Mother Goddess either became the wife of the more powerful male god, was thought to be murdered by the more powerful male god, as was the case in Babylon where the male Marduk murdered the Goddess to gain his supreme position, or she was simply replaced by the chief god, Yahweh. Canaan, the biblical homeland, was surrounded by matriarchal societies, but it became influenced by the northern male-worshipping societies the most. This early acceptance of the male god has lead to centuries of oppressing women in Western culture....

The Israelites attacked the veneration of the Mother Goddess: the word asherah, the name of the most widely known Syro-Palestinian version of the Mother Goddess, appears often in the Old Testament. Bible scholars believe it refers to a wooden statue or pillar erected to worship Asherah. Whenever an asherah was set up by the Israelites in veneration of the old goddess, they upset the Lord Yahweh (precursor to Jehovah). Moses advised the Israelites to cut down or destroy all asherahs and to embrace the worship of Yahweh. (Artifacts, statues of Asherah, have been found in many ancient temples/churches showing that before they were Christian or Jewish places of worship, Asherah was venerated there. Many statuettes of Asherah show signs of purposeful defacement.)



The Hebrew laws were harsh; in Babylonia, before the major incursions of the Indo Europeans, if a woman was involved sexually with a man other than her husband, she was expected to take an oath at the temple and return home to her husband, but the Hebrew laws give the husband the right to murder both the wife and the lover. The Levite laws of the Israelites, from Moses onward, demand stoning for women who engage in pre-marital sex, marriage of a single woman who was raped to her rapist, and stoning of married or betrothed woman for having been raped. All the shame and sin associated with sex today has its origins in the anti-sex political manouverings of the male-worshipping Near Eastern peoples. They changed Lilith, the Sumerian sub goddess who brought men to the temple for the sacred sex acts of the Mother Goddess, into Adam's first wife, who, because she was not sexually submissive, was thrust out of the Garden of Eden only to become a demon who hovered, waiting to find spilled sperm to make into demon

--Negative translations; "temple woman"= qadushtu translated as "prostitute".

The real misogynistic views, however, are to be found in the myth of Adam and Eve. It can be viewed as one big political attempt to devalue women and destroy the Goddess worship. The serpent has long been the symbol of female wisdom and prophetic council; in ancient times it was associated with the female Mother Goddesses who assumed serpent form or surrounded themselves with serpents. The Egyptian goddesses Isis and Hathor wore cobras on their foreheads as symbol of their mystic insight and wisdom, and often Egyptian royalty are portrayed with an open cobra on their foreheads as a symbol of the all-knowing Eye. The Greek goddess of wisdom Athena was associated with snakes, their was a snake pit in the Parthenon to keep her sacred serpents. The Prophetesses at Delphi were known as "pytha" and pythons were thought to curl around their stools as they sat and prophesied. Snake tubes, tubular artifacts shaped like snakes, were found in temples of Astoreth under her many titles throughout the Near East and Northern Africa. Serpents are symbols of magic in many cultures (Irish, Native American Souix)- gave women prophetesses their power to see. Cassandra of Troy gained her power by having her ears licked by serpents.

--Hebrew word "zonah" is at times defined as "prostitute" and at other times as "prophetess" --shows connection between priestesses of Mother Goddess and their sacred sexual acts and prophecies.

--People immune to snake bites--venom acts like a hallucinogenic drug, people feel like their minds have extraordinary powers and they see visions, are in touch with the world on a higher level.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was not the first sacred tree. Hera had a tree of golden apples in the mythology of ancient Greece that was said to hold the knowledge of the world. In the worship of the Mother Goddess, the sycamore, fig, and mulberry trees are often mentioned as being sacred. In reality, this was one tree, the Near Eastern ficus sicomorus--the sycamore fig, sometimes known as the black mulberry. In ancient Egypt, the goddess Hathor, known as the Serpent Lady, Eye of Wisdom, and Lady of the Sycamore, was worshipped by eating the sycamore fig's fruit, as the flesh and fluid of the goddess. The tree is mentioned in the Bible, when Adam and Eve adorn themselves in fig leaves, and when Ezekiel rails against pagan idols.

TO REVIEW: The Goddess was known and revered as the prophetess of great wisdom, closely identified with the serpent, as the original Creatress, and the patroness of sexual pleasures and reproduction. Hathor was credited with having taught people how to procreate. Ishtar, Ashtoreth and Inanna were each esteemed ass the tutelary deity of sexuality and new life. The sacred women celebrated this aspect of her being by making love in the temples.

To the patriarchal Levites (Hebrews) the worship of the Mother Goddess was threatening, for freedom of sexual behavior in women brought paternity and divine right succession into doubt. In order to erase the veneration of the Mother Goddess and replace it with the worship of the male god Yahweh, the priests of the male deity had to convince themselves and their congregations that sex was immoral, the "original sin." In each sentence of the biblical creation myth as written by the Levite priests, the tenets of the Goddess religion are attacked. Every kind of reference to man being from woman is erased; a male god created the universe and he created se male humans' rib female was created. Woman presented as a gift to man, she will help or serve him an any way.

Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which, to the ancient Hebrews, was probably understood to represent the sacred sycamore fig of the Goddess, the asherah. Ancient Egyptian texts say that to eat of this fruit is to eat the flesh and fluid of the Goddess, the patroness of sexual pleasure and reproduction, but the Bible story says that the forbidden fruit caused the couple's consciousness of sexuality...which embarrasses them and makes them sinners.

THE BIBLE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE WOMAN EVE ATE OF THE FRUIT FIRST--UPON THE ADVICE AND COUNSEL OF THE SERPENT--the ancient peoples would know that the serpent was the symbol of the Goddess. A WOMAN'S JUDGEMENT HAD LED TO THE TO DISASTER FOR THE WHOLE HUMAN SPECIES. Symbols of the Mother Goddess are now negatively portrayed, and the council of the prophetesses of the Mother Goddess were to be feared and hated. Woman as sage and advisor or councilor could be no longer respected, and the priestesses of the Goddess lost their power.

Furthermore, the image of Eve as the sexually tempting, God-defying seductress was intended as a warning to all hebrew men to stay away from the sacred women of the temples, for if they participate in the sacred sexual acts, they accept the female deity. This also prevents the resulting matrilineal identity for any children who might be conceived by the priestesses.

Proof of Eve as cunning and contriving arouser of the physical desires of men was given in the form of pain during childbirth--the eternal punishment for teaching men bad habits. This was further compounded by God's decry that women's desire will be only for their husbands, and that the husbands will rule over the wives.

So--all images are desecrated: snake, tree, sex, and wisdom.

Proven through the change in the Mother Goddess's portrayal in art.


"...Nursing snakes in the Greco-Roman artistic tradition were meant to allude to the nourishment provided by the earth for all creatures, but by the 12th century the snake was firmly equated with the demon; and the semi-nude figure suckling snakes was ...reinterpreted as lust personified."

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/99/maya/sarah.html

Still very confused why the woman is blamed for this.  Don't get it. 


April 26, 2013, 12:35:54 AMReply #37

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« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2013, 12:35:54 AM »
The sexual revolution of the 20th Century and modern so-called "Feminist" movements make this difficult to understand in today's Western culture. So, if it is to be understood, it can only be learned slowly by seeing beyond current mindsets and biases. It takes time to overcome certain ingrained assumptions.

Let us try to begin with this... Humans exist on different bands or frequency ranges, from those 'seen' to those 'unseen', commonly thought of as the physical and the spiritual. One of those bands is sexual. The human female's frequency range, generally speaking, covers a much wider range than the human male's. The female's sexual band transcends Earthly, physical sex to a much greater degree than the male's. This wider range allows the choice in the woman to work anywhere from the highest level of this spectrum to the lowest, and while men choose their own place on the scale as well, the range is more limited in scope. These male and female ranges also influence each other, but the female, because of her greater range influences the male’s pattern and level of scale to higher and lower areas he would not be able to reach on his own. It is a carrying effect, in some ways like a magnetic or gravitational force.

The results of what we have seen in the stories of the fall, before the fall, and into modern times displays that woman, when she is at her most refined and purest level on the sexual frequency scale is higher than any man on this level. She is the ancient wisdom keeper, the guide of mankind, and caretaker of all Earth's children. At her lowest and most depraved level, she is lower than any man on the sexual band. She leads men astray, her children (the future generations of mankind) are lost and wayward, and the ignorant, unguided viciousness of men retaliates with his foot on her throat.

At her highest, woman is the most high. At her lowest, woman is the most low. Collectively, she has created either condition for herself.

In our ignorance today, we see not that there is the greatest difference between the Temple Virgin and the Temple Prostitute, and the vastly opposite kinds of cultures each eventually engenders.

April 26, 2013, 09:40:38 AMReply #38

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« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2013, 09:40:38 AM »
Len, wondering if you can help me to understand the quote below.  I know you know much more about gnostic teachings than I.  Our fallen angel stories, are they about Pistis?  Lucifera Sophia? Or am I off track again?  :-\ 

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Again, his disciples said: "Tell us clearly how they came down from the invisibilities, from the immortal to the world that dies?"

The perfect Savior said: "Son of Man consented with Sophia, his consort, and revealed a great androgynous light. His male name is designated 'Savior, Begetter of All Things'. His female name is designated 'All-Begettress Sophia'. Some call her 'Pistis'.

"All who come into the world, like a drop from the Light, are sent by him to the world of Almighty, that they might be guarded by him. And the bond of his forgetfulness bound him by the will of Sophia, that the matter might be <revealed> through it to the whole world in poverty, concerning his (Almighty's) arrogance and blindness and the ignorance that he was named. But I came from the places above by the will of the great Light, (I) who escaped from that bond;

I have cut off the work of the robbers; I have awakened that drop that was sent from Sophia, that it might bear much fruit through me, and be perfected and not again be defective, but be <joined> through me, the Great Savior, that his glory might be revealed, so that Sophia might also be justified in regard to that defect, that her sons might not again become defective but might attain honor and glory and go up to their Father, and know the words of the masculine Light. And you were sent by the Son, who was sent that you might receive Light, and remove yourselves from the forgetfulness of the authorities, and that it might not again come to appearance because of you, namely, the unclean rubbing that is from the fearful fire that came from their fleshly part. Tread upon their malicious intent."

April 26, 2013, 09:50:48 AMReply #39

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« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2013, 09:50:48 AM »
whoops, did it again. Link it below.  Message to self...do not try to do 10 things at one time.  :D

http://www.maidenoflight.com/SophiaJesus.htm

April 28, 2013, 01:13:19 AMReply #40

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2013, 01:13:19 AM »
You're not too far off track, I think. The fall of Sophia (Wisdom) is the story of the fall of the characteristic of Wisdom personified, whereas fallen angels, generally speaking, refer to the fall of actual soul entities. This is partially relating to the first commingling of the Spirit with Matter.

The 'Fall of Man' relates to a later event(s) which occurs while mankind is already in the flesh. There are similarities to both, however.

June 29, 2013, 06:20:55 AMReply #41

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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2013, 06:20:55 AM »
Fallen angels ?
By this term are we referring to the Biblical Nephelim or in English, "those who fell ?
I know there is a lot of potential spiritual meaning for this term, but to the people who used it, it was pointing to something very real and physical.
The Nephilem, as far as I can tell from what I have read, Bible, book of Enoch, Enuma Elish, were not spiritual beings, they were physical extra terrestrials, who came "down" to Earth, and wrecked havoc, as is told in the ancient accounts.
The B'nei Anak, (Sons of Anak (Annunaki), were the race of giants that were decended from the Nephilim, as Jewish folklore and Biblical exegisis holds, they were not Martian spirit beings or anything less than a physical bad guy.

Zecharia Sitchen put the story together well in the Book of Enki, the Igigi Anunnaki from Mars, got tired of their Spartan and celibate lifestyle on the Mars ore refinery base, and on a trip to Earth when their king An was visiting, kidnaped a whole bunch of earth females. They "lost their first estate" as it were, because they were forbidden to return to their base on Mars with their new pets.
That's my take, far too much spiritualisation going on about this topic I feel.
Nephelim=Annunaki=B'nei Anak=Goliath of Gat.
Now the lions ?
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